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LET IT DIE: Rushkoff on the economy

99 Responses

  1. mortgage analyst says:

    Your description of banks collecting the interest on mortgage loans that are sold is simply incorrect. When the loans are sold, the interest payments do not go to the bank. The interest payments go to the investors that buy the bonds backed by the loans.

  2. mike says:

    STRAIGHT TO HELL WITH ALL OF THE BANKS..

  3. dave says:

    All true. But before we bag corporations altogether, they made the computer Mr. R and I use, extract and deliver the natural gas that heats my house, probably got ahold of the wood for the house, got my running shoes designed, made, shipped and sold, and came out with that antibiotic the doc prescribed and the anti psychotic that keeps my brother out of jail or an institution … you get the idea. Hey, my neighbors are all great folks, but can he do all that? I’d love to sign up, again, with a local CSA, but here in upstate New York I’d be a little tired of stored turnips by this time of year. And I like turnips. So before we go and flush away the present economic system, how’s about we get a real replacement that works first? Or prepare to go back to the late Middle Ages, if that’s what we want. I’m on the fence.

  4. Clinton’s policy? Do you mean the Community Reinvestment Act?

    Wall Street Journal, December 3, 2008:

    “Federal Reserve governor Randall Kroszner, a conservative economist on leave from a teaching post at the University of Chicago Booth Graduate School of Business, says the Community Reinvestment Act isn’t to blame for the subprime mess, despite some accusations to the contrary.

    “First, only a small portion of subprime mortgage originations are related to the CRA. Second, CRA-related loans appear to perform comparably to other types of subprime loans. Taken together… we believe that the available evidence runs counter to the contention that the CRA contributed in any substantive way to the current mortgage crisis,” he said in a speech today in Washington.”

    Read the whole thing here: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/12/03/feds-kroszner-defends-community-reinvestment-act/

    US News, December 17, 2008:

    “Along with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the Community Reinvestment Act has been fingered by a number of critics–mainly from the right–as a key cause of the financial crisis. But in a speech Wednesday, FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair–a Republican–called such logic a “myth.”

    From Bair’s prepared remarks:

    “You’ve heard the line of attack: The government told banks they had to make loans to people who were bad credit risks, and who could not afford to repay, just to prove that they were making loans to low- and moderate-income people.

    “Let me ask you: where in the CRA does it say: make loans to people who can’t afford to repay? No-where! And the fact is, the lending practices that are causing problems today were driven by a desire for market share and revenue growth … pure and simple.”

    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/the-home-front/2008/12/17/sheila-bair-stop-blaming-the-community-reinvestment-act.html

  5. LET IT DIE says:

    [...] Alas, I’m not being sarcastic. If you had spent the last decade, as I have, reviewing the way a centralized economic plan ravaged the real world over the past 500 years, you would appreciate the current financial meltdown for what it is: a comeuppance. This is the sound of the other shoe dropping; it’s what happens when the chickens come home to roost; it’s justice, equilibrium reasserting itself, and ultimately a good thing. The Full Piece…ArthurMag.com [...]

  6. [...] Douglas Rushkoff has gotten a lot of flack for his article in Arthur Magazine that I wrote about the other day. You know, the one where he called our current [...]

  7. [...] though, Douglas Rushoff is embracing financial destruction and says let the economy [...]

  8. 23skidoo says:

    First of all, great article.

    Second, spot on reply, John Coulthart. El Bergoober might feel like visiting “failed” Europe before he comments upon it. You will miss ignoring the people sleeping in the street that you step over to get wherever you’re going, the almost nonexistent (by American standards) of violent crime and the lack of state intrusion on personal morality — as I did when I first moved here — but humans are infinitely adaptable, aren’t they?

    Oh, and maybe the reason the workers enjoy more benefits here is because they don’t expect the system to just hand it to them, but they actually proactively agitate for them (yes, that means going on strike sometimes).

    Oh, and another thing you’re notice. We have immigrants wanting to come here, too. Many of them from the U.S.

  9. cyberdoyle says:

    Well written piece, rang a lot of bells. We couldn’t go on as we were with fatcats leeching from the workers the way they were, but I don’t know what the answer is. Perhaps google does. The people need to take control and everyone show sense, work hard, and get ourselves out of this mess. Power to the people.

  10. Ajax says:

    We are in the same place as we were in the Panic of 1907, PreWW1, Russian Revolution.
    We are in the same place we were during the Wall
    St 1929, early 30’s depression, Post WW1 Reparations by Germany for WW1 and emergence of Naziism and Communism.

    In other words we are in pre WW3 mode. The world is a tinderbox.

    I can’t believe giving a few loans to black people and some trailer park white trash to buy Paper Mache stick built houses in the carbon copy burbs caused the world to collapse.

    The real reason is the people who figured out how to package, sell , shift paper, IOUs and use it as currency created a house of cards over our heads about to come down.

    None of them ever drove a nail, grew a carrot, raised a pig, milked a cow, sewed a stitch, fixed a tractor or unplugged a toilet or swept a floor.
    All they do is skim the cream from the people who can do these things.

    The only solution is WW3. “Nothing cleanses quite like Fire” Then we can rebuild from scratch.

    The spark will happen in the Mid East and then will bring in China and Russia VS the West.

    Invest in Guns, Ammo, Velveeta, Beans and Whiskey.

  11. Tapped Out says:

    Why don’t we at least nationalize the Federal Reserve, which is about as federal as Federal Express. They create our money and charge us interest on what they have created out of thin air. The U.S. can’t afford this outrageous and crazy expense anymore, that goes directly into the hands of the private bankers that own the Federal Reserve Bank. This was the first REALLY BIG victim of the “PRIVATIZATION” of our government and certainly the most costly. So basically we have the Zombie Banks bailing themselves out with THIER Federal Reserve Bank using OUR money (or more correctly our further debt to them).

  12. Anna says:

    Your thought about letting the economy fail is pretty sound, considering. However, as the last foot drops, it has the weight of 500 years of debt and mismanagement, misappropriation, outright grand larceny of every imaginable asset, traded, bartered, sold to the highest bidder, not to mention that all this to foriegners without the least vested interest in the PEOPLE of the United States.
    It would indeed be a good thing if we were to have the leverage (forced though it may be) to begin with newness, to forge with truth and innovation and hard work a new means to live…honest and forthright.
    IF THIS WERE ALLOWABLE, I would applaud your article…but as the chips fall it is becoming clear, we may neither grow our own gardens, patent our own free electricity, we will not even have free use of our water on what we call our own parcel of land. Our industry is gone……….our population will nearly double from imigration by 2050.
    Aren’t you hoping for the freedom to build a UTOPIA that government and military will no longer put up with. Oh yes, and then there is the green thing, and our poisonous carbon imprint requiring a ’soilent green’ society…………………….or something like that.
    I have absolutely no faith in man. And I know how this one ends.
    Probably doesn’t burst your bubble at all, the handwriting is on the wall though. You might read it for yourself. WWIII doesn’t sound like much fun. These arent the good ole days. There won’t be much to recover, death and destruction do not make a world better.

  13. Mrs. G. says:

    Great article. So many people see the company store type thing already, in that even farmers are locked onto a tredmill of sorts. The rise in unemployment will first bankrupt the states, I presume. Then it seems to me that the cities will get a little edgy. Families will hopefully get it together and make due wherever they are. My fear is that we will all be fed GMO food. Horrors! And if some crazies in control decide that there are too many people we could indeed have some sad times. We need to really get real here. Please don’t assume that there will never be such things as mandatory vaccinations or pandemics, with or without massive loss of life hitting the elderly most severely. I pray that we get a grip and keep sharing our talents and knowledge. Thanks.

  14. Micah says:

    Great points, glad I have found your writing.

  15. R. Walker says:

    This article is nonsense.

    One of the best articles that explains the economic crisis in essential terms is: “The Crisis in 10 Points” by Robert Stewart.

    The economic bust was primarily caused by the Fed — they forced interest rates below the natural rate of interest, fueling an unsustainable credit expansion boom that resulted in tremendous malinvestment and overconsumption.

    Roger W. Garrison explains how the Fed lost its way in this paper: “Interest-Rate Targeting During the Great Moderation: A Reappraisal”.

  16. Duric Aljosa says:

    “So before we go and flush away the present economic system, how’s about we get a real replacement that works first”?

    Hi Dave, you can take a look here, Crom Time Bank:
    http://cromland.cromalternativemoney.org

    Hi Douglas, thanks for the great article.
    I think this will be very interesting to you:
    To Interpol: Criminal Complaint Against Global Elite For Crimes Against Humanity.
    http://forum.cromalternativemoney.org/viewtopic.php?t=393

    Regards.

  17. j says:

    about time somebody said what everyone is thinking!

  18. Dennis Spain says:

    American Freedom Note Amendment

    The fractional-reserve banking system, established by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 to oversee a debt-based currency, is obsolete and detrimental to the needs of the American people in the 21st Century. The very act of creating money by debt-assumption on the part of the citizenry gives unwarranted power to a financial elite and erodes the very foundations of the American Republic. The constantly increasing debt with its associated interest acts as a millstone around the neck of industry and stifles economic creativity, while rewarding the well-connected elite generously.

    Therefore—-by amendment to the US Constitution, establish a new currency, the American Freedom Note.

    All debt instruments (loan contracts, bonds, govt debt, etc.) originating in Federal Reserve banks, all existing Federal Reserve Notes and checking account balances, are exchanged for American Freedom Notes. Creditors forgo liens and are cashed out 100%. Debt is exonerated, and debtors assume 100% ownership of any encumbered assets, including—and most importantly—the productive assets of the country (factories, farms, productive enterprises in general).

    A fixed quantity of AFNs results from this system-wide exchange and these fresh accounts can be loaned at interest rates determined freely in the marketplace, with the strict proviso that no fractional-reserve lending is allowed from that point forward.

    Over time a natural deflation occurs and the American Freedom Notes, fixed in quantity by this Amendment, acquire increasing purchasing power.

    Debt forgiveness, greed forgiveness. The financial elite are bought out, the rest of us indentured servants are freed, and most importantly, no blood in the streets and the American experiment in liberty, with its enshrinement of the rights of the individual, continues with renewed character!

  19. [...] Douglas Rushkoff: Let it Die – “The fact that the speculative economy for cash and commodities accounts for over 95% of economic transactions, while people actually using money and consuming commodities constitute less than 5% tells us something important. Real supply and demand have almost nothing to do with prices. We do not live in an economy, we live in a Ponzi scheme.“ [...]

  20. [...] That we have arrived at a place with a balance of the past and future, now in these times where as Douglas Rushkoff points out the financial world is falling apart and that may be a good thing, I feel pretty good about it all. [...]

  21. [...] via LET IT DIE: Rushkoff on the economy | ARTHUR MAGAZINE – WE FOUND THE OTHERS. [...]

  22. Lawrence says:

    I think Mr Rushkoff meant to say , the bank collects commissions/profits when selling the repackaged loans. the investors actually collect the interest. But here the banks make the money upfront and the investors take the risk

  23. Avg Joe says:

    Good thoughts but there’s too many fat, lazy, greedy old men and women who’ll gladly fork over their cash to Wall Street with the hopes of a retired life full of golf and margaritas.

    They’ll keep floating this pig.

  24. Ryan says:

    Yea well mortgage analyst who do you think most of those other investors are CEOs of other larger banks or high stock holders in the Federal Reserve so it goes back to the banks one way or another

  25. LikeThatClearThinking says:

    Well written, and a clearly thought out position. It may be unpleasant for some to see the truth so baldly stated, but particularly uncomfortable for the Lawyers, Politicians, and Bankers, I would think…

    I know this will be an uncomfortable thought for many, but these times have been predicted with amazing accuracy in the last 20 to 30 years by authors Dannion Brinkley (Saved by the Light), Chet Snow (Mass dreams of the Future), and others. Its going to get more interesting before things get sorted out. I don’t mean to freak anyone out, but the “medicine” will “go down a little easier” if you get right with your God (however you know him)…

  26. Penny K says:

    Re the banks not getting the interest vs the bondholders.
    Each party along the way,gets a little piece of the presumed and potential interest as part of their selling price.

    This is a lovely article; it’s hard for us to get our mind around the big (centuries of historical economic paradigms
    embedded in every aspect of our culture) pix. I always felt I’d live to see a great crank of the wheel of history. Here it is.

  27. goldAndAngels says:

    A long view of the corporate life form suggests the current ailments might require a different tonic:
    http://www.tripzine.com/listing.php?id=corporate_metabolism

  28. gainsmore says:

    From reading most -if not all the post up to here it’s clear that we are pissed about the world situation and have a need to be heard pertaining to our perceptions… and with good cause. For the ’system’ does not like independent thinking and has and will continue to try squash any successful speaking or acting out. Society is(and has been)in the process of coming off a 2000 year sugar high of high finance and the ‘profit at any expense model.’ So, while there are those that will continually speak in terms of getting more lipstick and a new dress for the pig- we all know otherwise- that it’s still a pig…. the denial and strategic manipulation continues unabated in almost all circles. I don’t need to go into specifics on the monetary system- banks don’t make loans(Fed pub.Modern money mechanics- Two faces of debt. And they are forbidden via Federal Reserve Charter to loan out depositors funds. The debtors instrument is converted(illegally) for it’s perceived commercial value by the bank into a draft check or book entry and called a ‘loan’. Ask the bank to prove the origination of the loan- proving the movement of cash(or ‘money’ or something of intrinsic value) from one account to another to fund this ‘loan’ that they are claiming there’re making…they can’t. It never happen. Try signing your loan documentation ‘all rights reserved’ and see if they will even talk to you. They won’t understand your questions- it will be like you are speaking a language from another planet.Could it be said that a honest and forthright attempt to live ones life with respect for all life is a sane precept and all others is insanity?(the captain is drunk and locked himself in the wheel house while he sails out into the storm instead of the safety of the harbor… right?) It confound the mind that even the most stupid human could have seen this present situation coming and that it would implode over a period of time.
    So, whats wealth? Is it only paper money or check book entries? Is it what governments say it is? Or is it people banding together in common interdependency that will bring a new level of sanity to our world? To further my point, before the WWII the US had a small number of planes to be use in the ‘war effort’(hard to write those words without causing a reaction in myself)- so what the government did was through the banking system they created the ‘money’ into the system to make more planes and war machine spring to life. My question is this….. did the raw materials exists prior to the making of the planes? Did we as a society have to have had ‘money’ to make things back then? Who owns the Earth? The one with the biggest guns? The most evil darkness??
    When we realized that out wealth, in all of it’s versions comes NOT from a private central bank,corporation or government but from resources from here on Earth, we will move closer towards a more free and sane planet. We don’t have a currency crises – we have a crisis of perception…The idea of money may be about to become extinct…..

  29. [...] This puts a giant smile on my face – I ran across it while surfing (For something FIRREA related I think.) Douglas Rushkoff advocates letting the economy fail. [...]

  30. [...] against the faceless fascism under which we have been living, unaware, for much too long. LET IT DIE: Rushkoff on the economy | ARTHUR MAGAZINE – WE FOUND THE OTHERS   « What we’re now living through, though, is the result of a conscious, [...]

  31. [...]  LET IT DIE: Rushkoff on the economy With any luck, the economy will never recover. [...]

  32. “Local currencies, which helped regions reinvest in their own activities, and centralized currencies, for long distance transactions. Local currencies were earned into existence. A farmer would grow a bunch of grain, bring it to the grain store, and get receipts for how much grain he had deposited. The receipts could be used as money—even by people who didn’t need grain at that particular moment. Everyone knew what it was worth.”

    Jct: Local INTEREST-FREE community currencies worked well.
    Best of all, peg your local currency to the Time Standard of Money (how many dollars/hour child labor) and Hours earned locally can be intertraded with other timebanks globally!
    In 1999, I paid for 39/40 nights in Europe with an IOU for a night back in Canada worth 5 Hours.
    U.N. Millennium Declaration UNILETS Resolution C6 to governments is for a time-based currency to restructure the global financial architecture.
    See my banking systems engineering analysis at http://youtube.com/kingofthepaupers with an index of articles at http://johnturmel.com/kotp.htm

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  36. RaymondC says:

    However, do we really want to go down the same road that led to two World Wars?

    Remember, we’re not living during the days of first two World Wars, where at least the USA was not seriously threatened with the type of destruction that ravaged many of the combatants. Today, a real World War could end up involving nuclear weapons placed on missiles that could hit targets 4,000 to 7,000 miles away–the combination of the Russians and Chinese have enough missiles aimed at the USA that they could literally wipe out the every major city and industrial site and still have enough to destroy most of our military bases. Humanity would be literally thrown back to not much better than the Stone Age, and the human population worldwide could drop to under 500 million as billions die from the effects of fallout radiation, “nuclear winter,” and the inability to grow food on a large scale. Do we really have to go down this apocalyptic route?

  37. [...] the current economic situation in the past couple weeks that are definitely worth passing along.  Let It Die was written for Arthur online magazine with a follow-up piece, Hack Money, Hack Banking, a week [...]

  38. [...] Douglas Rushkoff is one of a growing chorus of voices saying that we should let the old economy die. Two economists at Washington University are calling for a reworking of copyright and patent laws [...]

  39. [...] I can understand this–especially as advertising agencies are more visible to the public through shows like Mad Men.  As this post points out, one could assume that much of the anger is directed at the financial services industry and the banks that created loan products which made it look as if we could actually afford over-priced homes (click here for a Great rant on the topic). [...]

  40. [...] read a rather interesting piece this morning, LET IT DIE: Rushkoff on the economy, describing the nature of the makeup of our economy as “a system set in place for the benefit [...]

  41. [...] last month after he published two of the best articles on the financial crisis I’ve read (here and here). Now he has a new book out on corporatism that lucidly illuminates the ruthless role of [...]

  42. [...] ARTHUR MAGAZINE — LET IT DIE by Douglas Rushkoff "This is the sound of the other shoe dropping; it’s what happens when the chickens come home to roost; it’s justice, equilibrium reasserting itself, and ultimately a good thing. The thing that is dying—the corporatized model of commerce—has not, nor has it ever been, supportive of the real economy. It wasn’t meant to be. We do not live in an economy, we live in a Ponzi scheme. Using future tax dollars to give banks more money to lend out at interest is robbing from the poor to pay the rich to rob from the poor. The current financial crisis is the best opportunity we have had in a very long time for a bloodless revolution against the faceless fascism under which we have been living, unaware, for much too long. Let us seize the day." — Brilliant explanatory rant. Recommended. DouglasRushkoff corruption government feudalism fascism monopoly corporatism aristocracy monarchy history malinvestment speculation leverage bubble credit usury interest ponzi fiat dollar currency banking fraud debt economics [...]

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  45. [...] to his upcoming take on corporatism “Life Inc” (due June 2009). But when I read his recent blog entry on the economy, I have to admit that my heart sank [...]

  46. spindokters says:

    Wauw. Bingo!

    It’s consience and we can’t blame anybody but fixing what went wrong and forgive.

    Social currency is the solution.
    Consience!!!!, Trust, Reputation, Authentic connections,
    Value created through cooperation, life hacking, Entertainment and Creativity.

    Are you in?

  47. [...] the greedy fools who first fucked themselves and then fucked us. Well, no thanks. They should be consigned to history, an anecdote in a high school textbook with little cocks drawn next to them by disinterested [...]

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