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HACK MONEY, HACK BANKING: Rushkoff on the economy

18 Responses

  1. cnawan says:

    I read somewhere that peer to peer lending is on the increase, and incidentally the rate of defaults on p2p loans is really low. The lenders are normal people and risk only $10 each. You could call that ‘hacking banking’ I suppose – or crowd-sourcing lending.

    I wonder if they crowd-source financial advice too. It almost seems like a no-brainer to create a forum within this service to connect people together and start mutually beneficial conversations. A possible adjunct to a business oriented social network like LinkedIn perhaps.

  2. Just an engineer says:

    Thanks Douglas,

    You clarified and re-inforced my earlier posted response to “Let it die”.

    I must, however, condem all forms of “hacking” as I am familiar with it. I get computer viruses al the time that dive me nuts, for no apparent reason. I would be extreemly pissed if a hacker mokeyed with my bank accounts, personal recors, etc.

    I am all for taking down Wall Street and it’s speculative extraction of everyone elses money, and the “Having money makes more money” mechanics.

    I’m in. Now, how do we do it??? (without hurting everyday people and businesses that don’t “earn” $165M bonuses).

  3. rushkoff says:

    Hacking and cracking are two different things.

    Hacking is just re-engineering. Without it, you would have no internet at all. So don’t condemn all forms.

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  5. Deborah Hartz says:

    I’m enjoying this conversation. Thank All of you. May good health and happiness be your constant companion.

  6. John Callahan says:

    Here, here. But enough theory … how about a practical problem? To illustrate the hacking opportunities you describe: we have a $243K mortgage on a ~$310K townhouse in a desirable metropolitan suburb. My wife and I have been reliably paying Wells Fargo 5.875% annually since November 2003 in monthly payments on a 30-year loan. I hear about people parking their money in 0% short-term treasuries or losing money in equities everyday, but marvel at the fact that I would happily pay them 5%, 4%, or lower (of course) annually and give Well Fargo some competition. But no, the closing costs, fees, blah, blah , blah involved in refinancing (we’ve NEVER pulled ANY money out of our home equity BTW) are prohibitively onerous! We looked into refi at 4.375% with a local credit union and it will take over 14 months to recoop the refi costs! Why isn’t this simpler! I *just* want to borrow $243K to pay off Wells Fargo and pay someone else the monthly payments. There has got to be a better alternative to the ton of paperwork, fees, and lawyer subsidies.

    I think this is what Doug means by hacking…

  7. [...] Mar 16, 2009 LET IT DIE: Rushkoff on the economy POSTED BY Administrator (UPDATE: “Hack Money, Hack Banking” by Douglas Rushkoff, the March 20 follow-up to “Let It Die,” is available here.) [...]

  8. Chere Lott says:

    What do you think about the Chinese proposal to move away from the dollar in favor of a global “super-currency”?

  9. Chris says:

    Looks like people fear the hacker like Osama. Crazy. Hacking is another area where people can find freedom in spite of the shitstorm. The system demonizes anything you can do without help from the system. Open Source software might have become illegal if it wasn’t absolutely impossible to stop it. Drugs which grow out of the earth are illegal because the system can’t do hacking of its own on the chemicals you ingest if you’re not buying from the system. Sorry to use the phrase “the system” again but it’s been hacking you for a long, long time. Condemn that and start hacking yourself back to humanity.

    As for China… http://edgeofcivilization.com/node/62

  10. Hominidx says:

    The hacking can involve humanity – the education continues and issues from making the goal clear while subrosa:
    move to what you can afford, own, produce, grow – no, ~really~. Move to crediting between people, not non-people corporations (all rights, no responsibilities).

  11. John Merryman says:

    Douglas,

    Why not hack religion? As you point out, this top down economic model is predicated on supporting monarchy, but monarchy is based on monotheism, ie. the divine right of kings. The logical flaw with an absolute ideal is that the universal state of the absolute is basis, not apex. Zero, not one. A spiritual absolute would be the essence of life and consciousness from which we rise, not an all knowing, moral ideal from which we fell. Reality is bottom up, not top down. The top is just a momentary peak. Consider the dichotomy of good vs. bad and the theological assertion that belief in God is the foundation of morality. The attraction of the beneficial and repulsion of the detrimental is the primordial biological binary code. Amoebae distinguish between good and bad. Our intellectual processes are just a very complex manifestation of this basic impulse. Between black and white is not just shades of grey, but all the colors of the spectrum. The problem with idealizing good vs. bad is that it creates a brittle linear morality, where if a little of something is good, than a lot must be that much better and anything at all bad, is all bad. There is no conceptual valuation of reciprocity, reaction, balance, laws of unintended consequences, etc. This complexity is usually derided as moral relativism. So everyone choses sides and lines up behind the loudest and bossiest.
    It was the polytheists who invented democracy, not the monotheists.
    So we have an entire society operating under the assumption that the pinnacle is the goal and the result is we fight endlessly to be the ones on top. The reality is that it is just a crust and when it gets to hard to allow further growth, it has to be shed and a new elite takes over. At some point we have to begin controlling the process, not be controlled by it. There has to be some balance. Nothing is completely top down or bottom up. Nor is there a happy medium, as that’s just a flatline.
    How do we create society which isn’t constantly breaking into factions and fighting, or dictated to by autocrats? I do think it has to do with how we conceive money. Currently we treat it as a commodity to be traded, because that’s what it evolved from. What it really is, is a public utility. One that is no longer based on anything other than public support. So if we understood it as a form of public commons, like a road system, it would remove the moral foundation for everyone to claim as much as possible, as well as removing the impulse to monetize all value out of our communities and environment in order to compete. This would be the force to repel humanity away from the monetary monoculture.

  12. [...] Douglas Rushkoff makes a very important distinction in the following post at Arthur Magazine: [...]

  13. [...] “Hack Money, Hack Banking” (arthurmag.com, March 20, 2009) “Let It Die” (arthurmag.com, March 16, 2009) “No Money Down” (Arthur No. 31/Oct 2008) “Riding Out the Credit Crisis” (Arthur No. 29/May 2008) [...]

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  15. persiaprince says:

    I’m confused about what you mean by “local economies”. How would we go about making our own money as communities? You seem to simply say it’s great, but not how it actually works. Sorry for this teenager’s ignorance.

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  17. Gerry says:

    Already on it. Also check out flowplace.org, metacurrency.org and openmoney.org

    Lots of interesting work in progress.

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